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Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.23 22:38:15 -
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@CCP,
I've been playing since 2003. You have 24 hours to reverse your position on overlays/window management or Im taking my $225USD/month (15 accounts x $15) somewhere else. No, I don't mass mine, or plex, I have 15 accounts that all have different roles. i do have 4x miners with the same SP, but w/e.
i was fine with no broadcast but I have a lot of accounts and I want to manage them however I chose. if you disagree, then make a better client with better ways to display information. I'm tired of this nonsense ISBoxer debate and I'm tired of you making eve so hard to play that I have to actually decide if it's even worth logging in sometimes. Why can't you just let us play the game we want to play?
edit, seriously you make a game that REQUIRES multiple accounts for solo players but you don't offer any support for people who have multiple accounts. seriously, window management was the one thing we had going for us. |

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Posted - 2016.02.24 00:10:27 -
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Emrys Alf wrote:Is this new ban on programs and screen managers going to be the same as removing fleet warps?
It seems so..
Seems very knee jerk.. and not though out how far it reaches..
So what was it that caused this desperate attempt to make it fair by banning overlays? Is ISBoxxer Banned? PLH? Where is the line?
isboxxer may not be banned at this point but all of its features are |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 00:16:07 -
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Archeras Umangiar wrote:Som Boty wrote:Emrys Alf wrote:Is this new ban on programs and screen managers going to be the same as removing fleet warps?
It seems so..
Seems very knee jerk.. and not though out how far it reaches..
So what was it that caused this desperate attempt to make it fair by banning overlays? Is ISBoxxer Banned? PLH? Where is the line?
isboxxer may not be banned at this point but all of its features are m8... just say its banned, stop fiddling the line technicly following that OP says, EVERY 3rd party tool is banned that includes but is not limited to: EFT EVEMON Trading Spreadsheets Trading tools and alot more technicly everything, so thats the reason OP is pretty... *mhe, to not say bullshit*
i didn't disagree..
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Posted - 2016.02.24 00:37:24 -
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Rain6637 wrote:This ISBoxer crackdown seems to be progressing at the same rate as monetization. Are you attempting to cut down on accounts per player now that you think you can make more money per account through monetization?
this is my thinking, they are working REALLY hard to reduce the number of subscriptions, they must have some kind of other strategy. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 00:54:38 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Well I'm ready to consolidate ten characters with 1.5 Billion SP into one account if that's the future norm. Let's do this CCP, stop beating around the bush.
I've already started, sold off two toons, 3 more listed. breaking down my WHs now. itll take take me a few days but i've already unsubbed 2 / 15 accounts. |

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Posted - 2016.02.24 01:22:22 -
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Ghenghis Kralj wrote:Here is an idea. Does your 3rd party software interfere with client code?
If yes, ban. If no, carry on.
Is a 3rd party software so popular that players are willing to spend real money in addition to subscription? If so, maybe that's the world telling you that your game needs that feature. I think you have listened well when it comes to the game launcher, but window management, in game tools, and in game window arrangements are lacking enough that people are paying a significant amount to fix that for ya.
i pay $50/year for isboxxer, it's not a lot of money in my opinion. certainly not inaccessible. contrary to some of the alliance tools which aren't accessible to the majority of the player base.
I don't know what CCP is thinking, when they have people being doxxed and third party apps like tripwire being backdoored to give access to all of the scanned sigs in the universe, but noooooo. lets target window management which is totally accessible, fair, and needed by everyone. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 06:00:34 -
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CCP, just **** off already. You got broadcasting, that was a good one. But let us manage our windows however we choose. |

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Posted - 2016.02.24 15:40:56 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Thread reopened. I have removed some off topic post, rants, two quoting post, and those quoting them.
Thanks for cleaning it up and getting it reopened so quickly! |

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Posted - 2016.02.24 15:45:08 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Thread reopened. I have removed some off topic post, rants, two quoting post, and those quoting them.
Actually I take it back. Why did you remove my post? You don't think it's irrelevant that CCP should know that someone who has been playing for almost 13 years and has 15 subs is in the process of cancelling his accounts over this? |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 16:52:45 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Som Boty wrote:Actually I take it back. Why did you remove my post? You don't think it's relevant that CCP should know that someone who has been playing for almost 13 years and has 15 subs is in the process of cancelling his accounts over this? CCP knows because you canceled your subscription with them. They don't think it's relevant that the rest of the player base (us) know; it's basically negative publicity, however well deserved.
That's the point, I haven't cancelled all of them yet. I told them I would if they didn't respond within 24 hours. I know it's fool Hardy and probably won't get a response, but now it CAN'T get a response. So I'll just cancel and CCP will be none the wiser. |
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Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:46:22 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned.
you cheating scumbag! how dare you overlay your windows. You are the scum that is ruining this game and something about ccp and isk buying amnesty... etc, etc. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:13:31 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:I have and it doesn't say that. Using the ingame window mode does not give you an unfair advantage. Every player has access to those options. Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors.
this is my biggest complaint. I play eve on a single monitor, why should my experience suffer? |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:32:54 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors.
Use IsBoxer if you want. Or put each individual client on its own monitor, or use window mode. Eve-o preview is also an option. Just make sure if you do use a 3rd-party program you don't use it to break the EULA. I would like to direct your attention here: Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned. with ISboxer, you can take those visible pieces of the other clients, and put them on a different part of your screen (not overlaying a different eve client). Like the example, you could also click that part of the screen, and it would focus on that client (just like in the example). The difference, however, is that with ISBoxer, there is no over-laying involved, yet with the example posted, the eve client repositioning, there IS overlay. Therefore, the outrage is, what the actual hell is bannable, and what is not?
the outrage is that people don't want to put anymore time / energy into playing a game if there is no certainty that we wont be banned.
Until yesterday, CCP has REPEATEDLY said ISBoxer is fine. So many of us have spent countless hours setting up our environments and building toons and devloping our play styles over the last years based on that information and now it just got yanked out of from underneath us.
That's my biggest complaint. This course reversal is CCP breaching their contract with their subscribers and now who the hell knows what's going to happen. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:53:45 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Isboxer is not banned.
Certain aspects of the program will mean you break the EULA mainly the broadcasting and the videofx-dxnothing parts of it.
There is a sticky in general discussion about it if you want more details. From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
I would HOPE that this is correct, but I doubt it. waiting on CCP to be sure. but then again, they might say its okay this week and change their mind again in a few months. nothing is for sure with these guys. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:09:48 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
It does break the EULA as it changes the way the game is played. Each client should be playable as though it was the only client. By having elements of client ie; overview or HUD seperate you can't play that client without an additional client open. Then having multiple monitors also breaks EULA, as having videoFX without repeater passthrough is just a cheaper alternative to having every account have its own monitor.
except that the 'clarification' calls out software, not hardware. |

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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:13:23 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. OK archibald, so what you are saying then is that this is OK, but this is not OK? And you think there's a strong enough distinction between the two to warrant the ruling and that CCP will be able to tell the difference? See, we aren't spreading rumours, were simply pointing out how you can't ban one with the other.
i think what we are saying is that no one knows wtf is going on. its been nearly 24 hours and ccp hasn't made a single update. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:18:23 -
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Koenig Yazria wrote:Som Boty wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. OK archibald, so what you are saying then is that this is OK, but this is not OK? And you think there's a strong enough distinction between the two to warrant the ruling and that CCP will be able to tell the difference? See, we aren't spreading rumours, were simply pointing out how you can't ban one with the other. i think what we are saying is that no one knows wtf is going on. its been nearly 24 hours and ccp hasn't made a single update. They have, they have mentioned localization, streaming and on reddit to look at this thread. Lol
yes, they said to watch this thread for an update. but there is no update. |

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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:43:01 -
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Catt Stevens wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:stg slate wrote:ITT: People saying all these random programs don't give an unfair advantage and they are no big deal while loosing their **** about the idea of not being able to use them anymore. You can't use EVEMon or EFT anymore. Let's see how you react. You are a fool, if you actually read the dev blog you would understand that is not the case, but since you just want to throw rocks you choose to do so without any actual facts. Don't worry you will catch up eventually.
obviously EvEMon is an exaggeration, but the point is that it's technically against the EULA, so CCP could decide to ban you and if that's the case, there is suddenly a lot of risk to playing eve if CCP can just drop the ban hammer whenever they decide to change their opinion. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:09:25 -
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Catt Stevens wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: but if you get picked up by their analysis as having done anything bad you'll get banned, but we know full well that there's a lot of legitimate gameplay that will look just like illegitimate gameplay. Again I point out that this is OK, but this is not OK. Please explain how you know for a fact that your example will work as you have stated? Do you know what CCP logs on their side? Are you a CCP employee? Do you have an inside source? No? Then you are just making assumptions.
please explain how you know it to be different? You can't, that's the point! There is a lot of uncertainty. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.24 23:16:28 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Peligro wrote:Thanks for all your feedback and criticism so far! Please keep it coming, we're watching this thread and will post replies to serious questions in the near future. (Crickets...)
a whole god damn day without a response. |
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Posted - 2016.02.25 01:12:54 -
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Matthew Reddy wrote:Can i use ISBoxer for window management as long as i do not broadcast?. Can i get a clear answer on this.
yea ccp, can this guy get an answer please? |

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Posted - 2016.02.25 16:22:31 -
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Spcius Patrouette wrote:15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.
this is why i now have 5/15 accounts unsubbed now, sold four characters, and have taken down 1 of my wormholes.
Im just going to keep going until they either respond or until I've turned off all of my accounts. |

Som Boty
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Posted - 2016.02.25 16:37:34 -
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Daugan wrote:https://www.themittani.com/news/three-developers-depart-ccp-games
okay, well its official. the dev in charge of supporting third party apps is out. so i think we all have our answer. |

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Posted - 2016.02.25 18:34:44 -
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Chekov Nikahd wrote:Som Boty wrote:this is why i now have 5/15 accounts unsubbed now, sold four characters, and have taken down 1 of my wormholes.
Im just going to keep going until they either respond or until I've turned off all of my accounts. Contract your stuff to Chekov Nikahd, he'll know what to do with it.
no way im ever giving up my space bux. im going the way of the pharaohs, party in tomb tonight bois! |

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Posted - 2016.02.25 22:18:29 -
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Koenig Yazria wrote:Another day without dearly needed clarifications.
Well done.
When this thread started I had 16 accounts subbed. 48 hours later and I'm down to 8. Keep it up CCP! |

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Posted - 2016.02.26 18:45:52 -
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Praal wrote:Based on the answers, it sounds like isboxer overlays are still OK if you overlay entire clients (not parts) and do not have clickthrough. So you could probably have a DXNothing window with 8 small tiles to monitor all of them.
yeah... until they decide that's bannable too. |

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Posted - 2016.02.26 21:11:38 -
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Tiberian Deci wrote:
If you can only have fun in this MMO by playing with yourself 16 times over its probably better that you unsub your extra accounts bro
or, maybe you should try playing my way before you give advice? I don't clown the way you play.
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